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I was asked to Explain Myself about why I dislike Natasha and like Anatole despite how alike they are. I do kind of struggle to articulate this properly and have to constantly question myself on it. I don't want to fall into some kind of internalized sexism trap but here's some of my feelings/reasoning on this...

 

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So I’ve already talked some about how the scheming seducer stereotype doesn’t fit Anatole’s character at all here. But I wanted to pull a few more quotes and make a few more characterization comments.



“He regarded his whole life as a continual round of amusement which someone for some reason had to provide for him” (Book 3, Chapter III)

You know, this is why Tolstoy really doesn’t like Anatole. For Tolstoy, men are supposed to seek intellectual pursuits which lead them to the Meaning of Life (which is inevitably centered on faith and family, as per the Tolstonian model.) Just happiness can’t be the point of life. (WTF not though?) Anatole, on the other hand, just wants to enjoy life. He sees no need to search for a meaning. He has always been given what he wants  (rich, youngest child, it’s inevitable really) and he associates with other people of the same circumstances so he has no reason to question it. He takes the resources he has - money, social status, self-confidence, etc - and he puts them to use. In this way, he is very much like both Helene AND Natasha. Like Helene, because she also puts the privileges she has to use and in service of her desires. Like Natasha, because Natasha is also air-headed, sheltered, carefree, privileged and often completely incapable of understanding how her actions affect others.

“Anatole was not quick-witted, nor ready or eloquent in conversation, but he had the faculty, so invaluable in society, of composure and imperturbable self-possession. If a man lacking in self-confidence remains dumb on a first introduction and betrays a consciousness of the impropriety of such silence and an anxiety to find something to say, the effect is bad. But Anatole was dumb, swung his foot, and smilingly examined the princess’ hair. It was evident that he could be silent in this way for a very long time.” (Book 3, Chapter III)


He doesn’t particularly care what people think of him and has an ingrained sense of self-worth and confidence. To be honest, it’s actually quite attractive.

“Anatole was always content with his position, with himself, and with others. He was instinctively and thoroughly convinced that it was impossible for him to live otherwise than as he did and that he had never in his life done anything base. He was incapable of considering how his actions might affect others or what the consequences of this or that action of his might be.”


This is basically a more expanded version of the two quotes above combined. My commentary on those quotes covers more or less everything in this one. Except for maybe one more note: he likes people.

“He was not a gambler, at any rate he did not care about winning. He was not vain. He did not mind what people thought of him. Still less could he be accused of ambition…and he laughed at distinctions of all kinds. He was not mean [the Russian text uses the word “skup” meaning stingy], and did not refuse anyone who asked of him…he honestly considered himself irreproachable, sincerely despised rogues and bad people, and with a tranquil conscience carried his head high.



So what do we have in the end? Someone who is neither jealous nor a “climber” nor inherently bigoted/prejudiced/a snob nor stingy nor arrogant. In fact we have the opposite: someone who is open-hearted and open-handed, outgoing, confident, does have a sense of right-and-wrong - his problem is lack of foresight and perspective - does not want or mean to do any harm/has good intentions, and generally just wants to enjoy life. And the thing is, from what we see in canon, most of his entertainments are actually quite benign: drinking with friends, going to various entertainment, like the opera, and flirting openly with everyone who strikes his fancy. (And the ‘‘womanizing” I’ve addressed elsewhere as stated above.)

And to keep everything in one place; someone on Tumblr once asked me why I love Anatole so much anyway.

Anatole is like that fun friend that a lot of people/friendship groups have. You probably don’t have a very deep relationship with him because he’s bad at committing and a little shallow/not good at reflection, but he’s so fun and easy to be around. He’s confident without being a show-off, he’s easy going and optimistic, he knows how to have fun and is always up for a party/adventure. He enjoys life in a way that is infectious. He doesn’t take himself, or others, too seriously. You can be you around him and he probably won’t judge you for it. He’s probably not very good in emotionally difficult situations but he’s not unwilling to help, even if you need to tell him what it is you want. He’s so…free. I don’t really know how to put it. And he’s not out there looking for some pretentious meaning of life or angsting over some ambiguous unfulfillment. He knows what he wants – to have fun and be happy. (And most of the ways he tries to have fun are actually quite harmless.) He’s perfectly genuine and open. That’s Anatole.

And some of it is personal, of course, just how liking and not liking certain characters often is. Like, I really identify with his drive to just be free and happy and not have to worry about tedious things. Anatole doesn’t give a shit about growing up and, to be frank, it’s pretty overrated IMO too. I’m more responsible than he is, I’d say, but I understand where he’s coming from.

And, I mean, look, I get it. He’s flighty and irresponsible and unable to commit. Those are very real character flaws. He gets carried away and sometimes hurts people because of it, because of his short-sightedness. He doesn’t mean to, but that doesn’t completely mitigate his mistakes. I get protective because often people dislike him for things that he doesn’t actually do or traits he doesn’t actually have. But if you can’t stomach his character flaws, then you can’t. But I can. Maybe because it’s easier to forgive fictional people their flaws, IDK, but every character has them and it comes out to: what side does the scale tip to? And: who can you identify with most?

On Anatole

Sep. 20th, 2015 01:21 am
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So. One of the good things that have come out from having a Tumblr is being able to talk to people about War and Peace (at least, a lot more than say on LJ). I've also been made an admin on the Tumblr dedicated to the upcoming bbc adaptation (I'm really-really bad at being an admin, since I'm really-really bad at being on top of entertainment news :/)

Anyway, a little while ago I was posting about my...concerns re: casting and the promo photos that have been released. This post on Anatole spawned a bit of a discussion on Anatole's characterization, mostly via asks and answers. One of the things that came up was how Anatole keeps getting made into this creeper-seducer-womanizer when that's not really what he is at all. Not in that stereotypical cliche way.

So, of course I wrote a post. Here is the original with the context of the ask it was replying to. But I'm re-posting the relevant part of my response here.

I understand if people don’t like [Anatole], but I hate that it’s always for the wrong thing. Where even is this “scheming womanizer” thing coming from? Nothing about how he relates to women we see him with in the book reads like this. A scheming womanizer would not get so stupidly caught in the Bolkonsky gardens with the French companion of the girl he was supposed to be married off to. He doesn’t even TRY to seduce Maria. He’s there because his father dragged him there and he’s just easy-going enough to be like “ok whatever” and lets it play out as it would.

Actually, I’d say Anatole almost actively avoids compromising situations when he understands that they’re compromising. He’s not the sort of guy – again, unlike Onegin or Pechorin – who seduces “proper” girls for fun. He primarily hangs around actresses and “gypsies,” which at that time were, for the most part, considered easy women.

I think the notion comes from two places: a) his offhand comments to Dolokhov about “loving young girls” (or something like that) because they give in easily and b) the whole Natasha fiasco.

I don’t take the “young girls” comment too seriously. He’s obviously posturing and he’s saying this to Dolokhov, whom he admires and probably wants to show off in front of. There’s also a far simpler way to read this comment: “Damn it, I hate it when girls play hard to get. At least when I fall for a younger girl they tend to be more open to getting it on.” It’s also far more in-line with the rest of his characterization. This is an observation and a stated preference, not some strategic plan. Anatole doesn’t do strategic plans; he doesn’t even know how to, honestly. And, anyway, if we’re talking stereotypes here – scheming seducers tend to like a challenge.

The Natasha thing. Anatole falls for her genuinely. He just really, really likes her and he wants to be with her consequences be damned. That’s all. He’s putting himself into danger with the elopement as well, as Dolokhov points out. Anatole ignores him. Do we, as readers, know his feelings are probably pretty short lived? Yea. Most insta-made infatuations are. Dolokhov realizes this all too well, too. Because he knows Anatole and because he is a calculating and practical person who thinks ahead. Anatole just…goes for the prize. The fact that he might never be able to return home, that he could be tried for bigamy or kidnapping or whatever, that he might have to face a duel, that he doesn’t exactly have a way to support himself abroad…none of this stops him. And these are all things that are stacked up against him personally.  He’s crazy about Natasha from the get-go. IIRC, the very next scene with him that we have after the opera, is him going on and on to Dolokhov about how gorgeous and enchanting Natasha is. She pushes him away and he just wants her more.

Yes, it’s bad. Yes, it’s destructive. But it’s a different bad and destructive than people make it out to be. It’s the product of carelessness and a lack of self-awareness. The most scheming things that Anatole does (in this case anyway) are all actually the responsibility of other people, primarily Helene and Dolokhov. Helene figures out how to get Natasha and Anatole to see each other more and be alone. Dolokhov organizes the elopement arrangements and writes Anatole’s love letters for him. (I’m assuming Anatole isn’t exactly a poetic type. Not that Dolokhov is, but Dolokhov is smarter and much better at emotional manipulation.) He doesn’t want any harm to befall Natasha. He genuinely thinks that none will. They’ll just run away and get married, live abroad, and no one will suspect a thing is off. It’s an insane fantasy but Natasha falls for it too, even though she has warning signs that something is off. They’re both crazy like that, they both get carried away. No one has to like that. But it’s not at all the same thing as “scheming womanizer who seduces innocent girls for fun.”

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Title: Things That Shan't Be
Author: [personal profile] alley_skywalker
Fandom: War and Peace
Paring: Anatole/Helene
Rating: PG-13
Warnings: character death, incest
Word Count
: 10,504
Summary: The Kuragin siblings struggle with "inappropriate" feelings for each other in a society with strict views on right and wrong and where reputation is an invaluable social currency.
Notes: Written for the [community profile] incestbigbang. My artist, [personal profile] handmaid, made this fanmix for my fic.


Things That Shan't Be )


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Title: You and Me and How It Ends
Author: alley_skywalker
Fandom: War and Peace
Characters/Parings: Theodore Dolokhov/Anatole Kuragin; Helene Kuragin, Pierre Bezukhov, Galina Dolokhov, others in cameos
Rating: PG-13
Warnings: Character Death
Word Count: ~12,300
Summary: After his unsuccessful elopement attempt with Natasha, Anatole has to leave Moscow without getting a chance to make things right with Theodore. They struggle through the rift, pride and confusion battling love and a need to be together. And when it seems their love might pull through after all, the war starts and makes its own claims.
Notes: Written for the History Big Bang on livejournal. My wonderful artist, looneyngilo2, has created this lovely fanmix for this fic.


You and Me and How It Ends )


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OMG these were hard. Partially because Anatole isn't exactly in most scenes. But beyond even that, just quality issues. I have the movie in a file which works fine on my movie editor from which I can snag caps but there are subtitles and things but even worse, the quality isn't as high as it could be. Now I got the new, higher-quality DVD set for New Years but for some reason the damn things just won't convert correctly (or at all) from VOB to AVI/DiVX. Soooo...I have to try and snag caps straight off the DVD, which is annoying. (Another cause of angst is the sudden lack of vidding capabilities with this movie which I hoped would be solved with getting the DVDs. Sad day.) Anyways...

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Fanart! My drawing/digital coloring skills are....minimal. However, sometimes I just can't help it :D

Fandom: War and Peace
Paring: Theodore Dolokhov/Anatole Kuragin (the OTP :D)



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Title: The Color Red 
Author: Alley_Skywalker
Fandom:
War and Peace 
Genre: Romance, angst, drama 
Paring: Theodore Dolokhov/Anatole Kuragin
Rating: PG-13 
Warnings: Slash 
Summary: The progression of a romance that starts as a boyhood friendship between two young courtiers told in a flashback with present time as the year of 1813, after the War, when Theodore is pressed to make the choice to stay at Anatole’s side forever and deal with his lover’s newfound disabilities or abandon him for a freer life.

The Color Red -- story test

The Color Red -- audio recording read by juniperphoenix

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