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This goes for both War and Peace and Great Comet, the book obviously has a lot more context and stuff to go off of but:

 Natasha is not scared of Anatole. She is scared of herself.

 She is scared of her own feelings, of her desires. Yes, these feelings and desires are caused by Anatole, but he’s not the problem for her, the way she reacts to him is. I don’t have the book on hand so I can’t quote directly, but that lack of a barrier of modest that she’s never felt before? That’s her problem – she’s infatuated, she’s lusting after him and she doesn’t understand it because a) it’s the first time this has happened to her and b) no one exactly talked to girls about sex and sexual feelings back then in any way that wasn’t to make them look like a bad thing. So yes, she’s confused because she’s going through a sexual awakening and has no idea what the hell that is. Not because Anatole is so intimidating. He’s a tad pushy, sure, but he never forces or even coerces her into anything.

 It’s very clear that this is Natasha’s sexual awakening. In the book, that’s part of her character development. In fact, I’d say this is where her character development starts. She begins to slowly grow up mentally and emotionally. (Although, most of that is driven by the feelings of regret and a sudden understanding that things like consequences for one’s actions exist. But this is still the initial breaking point.) Now, Natasha is young but she’s not 13. She’s been proposed to before – twice. She’s liked men before and they have definitely liked her. But all her previous dalliances were childish and platonic/completely non-sexual. She was only 13 when she liked Boris, she was 15 when Denisov proposed and she wasn’t even into him really. Her feelings for Bolkonski were arguably adult enough, but they were still absolutely non-sexual. Even the romantic component of their relationship was mostly the fantasies that she has built up about how these things work. She likes him. She admires him. She’s flattered that he likes her. But at no point does she desire him.

 And then comes Anatole and everything explodes. He’s her first sexual attraction and it’s dizzying because the first time that happens it often times is. Also, no one has sat her down and talked to her about it, certainly, so she is unprepared. She’s scared because these feelings are new and she doesn’t know how to handle them. (One big difference between the musical and the book is that, I think, at one point Natasha tells Anatole “you’re hurting me” or something like that when he grabs her hand or something. Nothing like that happens in the book. Also, because Natasha is narrating her feelings outloud in the music and it’s hard sometimes to tell what she’s actually saying and what’s interior monologue, it feels like she’s resisting him more than she actually is.) Natasha’s struggles here aren’t about Anatole or anything he does really – they’re about her and her interior workings. This is about how she sees the world and how that worldview is starting to change, on fast-forward after this point.

 Also, something that only comes across with the book, I guess, is that this whole…incident is thematically about Natasha and the “right” sort of love. Tolstoy is huge on the whole “lust/passion is bad, platonic love is good.” This theme is even more pronounced in Anna Karenina but we see some of it here as well: Helene and Anatole are bad because they sleep around. Pierre and Andrei’s feelings for Natasha are appropriate because they are platonic (maaaybe romantic, but Tolstoy’s classifications are a little different from how we’d thing about these things today) and, at any rate, marriage-and-family-oriented. It’s that whole “spiritual elevation” type thing. (They put her on a pedestal ok? That’s the modern way of saying it, I guess.)  Natasha gets a taste of both sides of this coin. With Anatole she’s Anna Karenina, later, with Pierre, she’s Kitty. But since she’s one character, she has to go through the “bad” kind of love first to fully appreciate the “right” kind of love later. But again, Natasha is scared because she’s having “scary” feelings. It’s not about Anatole.

 (An aside: I’m annoyed that Anatole has a line in the musical that’s like “I’ve found a new pleasure and I’m taking her away.” Nothing like that exits in book canon. Because that’s not how he’s thinking about it. Natasha and Anatole are actually mirrors, especially so here when they are thrown together. They both mistake their feelings of lust for love. The difference is that Natasha is scared and confused by her feelings because they’re new. Anatole pursues his.)

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Spot on analysis of ep4. But i think chemistry or no, the way anatole was played made it impossible to believe she'd fall for him & it was too rushed to believe anyway. Good point about the parallels, changing dolokhov there was just stupid, it makes everyones motives confusing & unexplained. About andrei's love ,cuz in the book its clear he did love them both, its cuz its so rushed & looks like a whirlwind romance, almost the same as anatole/natasha!

Re Andrei and Andrei/Natasha: The thing is, the Andrei/Natasha romance WAS whirlwind. I mean, he only sees her 4 times (5, counting when he stops at Otradnoe but they don’t really talk at that time and he’s mostly confused by how happy she seems). The four times are: 1) the ball, 2) he goes to her place and she sings for him, 3) Vera’s party, 4) another visit to the Rostovs where their conversation is mostly small talk. Now, this is a little more substantial than Anatole/Natasha but barely. I mean, to the point where it really doesn’t make a difference. He decides to marry her after FOUR (5 is you want to be generous) meetings. Not “date” (court, I guess it would be back then) but MARRY. How is that not crazy? 

Now, of course, AFTER he proposes to her, it’s made clear in the book that they get a 2-3 months to actually get to know each other after he proposes and before he leaves. That’s still not a lot of time but at least it’s something. But the thing is, he had already proposed and she had already accepted after FOUR meetings. (Moral of the story obviously being that no one needs a lot of time to fall in love around there lol.)

And, sure, i think he, at the least, thought that he was in love with Natasha. I don’t mean that he wasn’t being earnest. (But Anatole was earnest too, yet we always talk about how his feelings were something, but probably not love.) And the thing is, I feel like it would have ended as badly for her as it did for Lise if she had married him. He probably thought that he loved Lise too when he married her. Lise was a sweet if not too serious girl, which is exactly what Natasha is. And, honestly, you already see the whole thing breaking down in Andrei’s proposal scene. Andrei’s “poetic” feeling for Natasha, once she has accepted him, suddenly changes to “duty” and “pity for her feminine and childish weakness.” Really? Duty and pity? And it sounds a lot like what Andrei was feeling for Lise there at the beginning and, IMO, that was not a positive relationship.

Comparing Natasha’s reactions to her two romances also leads to some interesting results. Her during Andrei’s proposal scene:

“Is it possible that this stranger has now become everything to me?” she asked herself, and immediately answered, “Yes, everything! He alone is now dearer to me than everything in the world.”

Her, after kissing Anatole at Helene’s party;

But she also loved Anatole, of that there was no doubt. “Else how could all this have happened?” thought she. “If, after that, I could return his smile when saying good-by, if I was able to let it come to that, it means that I loved him from the first.”

Natasha’s instincts are on point in both cases. She recognizes that Andrei is still a stranger to her. She recognizes that things are going too quickly with Anatole. But the way she responds in both scenarios is silly, but also nearly identical: she practically talks herself into falling in love.

So, yea. The adaptation rushes everything but the fact that Andrei and Natasha have a whirlwind romance isn’t actually incorrect.

And that bring me to Anatole in this adaptation. I do think Callum dropped the ball here a bit. It could have also been the direction he was given. But I think it wasn’t even so much the acting as the pacing/writing and also the lighting/soundtrack. Also, this adaptation, as you said, gives no breathing room, does not allow for any sort of insight into characters it doesn’t care much about and Anatole is one of those characters. It’s hard to believe that Natasha could fall in love with him because the music and the lighting are basically screaming NOT A GOO IDEA. It’s not so much how much interaction the characters have actually had, it’s more about how the narrative frames it (in a very heavy-handed way) and what insights we get into the characters’ feelings. And, yes, the adaptation falls into the typical trap of the seducer-stereotype, but it’s not the only one that does.



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OMG these were hard. Partially because Anatole isn't exactly in most scenes. But beyond even that, just quality issues. I have the movie in a file which works fine on my movie editor from which I can snag caps but there are subtitles and things but even worse, the quality isn't as high as it could be. Now I got the new, higher-quality DVD set for New Years but for some reason the damn things just won't convert correctly (or at all) from VOB to AVI/DiVX. Soooo...I have to try and snag caps straight off the DVD, which is annoying. (Another cause of angst is the sudden lack of vidding capabilities with this movie which I hoped would be solved with getting the DVDs. Sad day.) Anyways...

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Jake and Sadie (Impact)
Arkadi/Bazarov (Fathers and Sons)
Buffy/Angel (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Kate/Sawyer (LOST)
Dolokhov/Anatole (War and Peace 2007 mini-series) <--- OTP
Polievsky/Tolstoy (Barber of Siberia) 
Anatole/Natasha (War and Peace 1956 US version)
Ivan/Katherine (Brothers Karamazov)
Onegin/Lensky (Eugene Onegin)




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